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Posts: 1842
12/31/09 01:32 AM
Bottom line, I wouldn't feel comfortable with Andrus being rated PR unless the Texas 3b coach told me he agreed. He's an excellent base stealer, doesn't ground into dp's, takes the extra base at a greater rate than league average. This doesn't add up to a PR baserunner imo.
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12/31/09 11:24 AM
Sure he made 3 more outs in less opportunities...
Andrus takes the extra base at a higher rate than Pedroia
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12/31/09 11:35 AM
What Cheer Wombat wrote: Sure he made 3 more outs in less opportunities... Um...that's kind of a big deal. In the same amount of opportunites as Pedroia, you'd be looking at 7 more outs (actually a little over 6.5 if you don't round off). Or you could look at it this way: If given the same number of opportunites, Andrus would be thrown out over twice as often (2.3 times as often, to be exact). There are good reasons why the system treats the cost of an out as 3 times more than the advantage of taking an extra base. For one thing, a significant number of times taking an extra base turns out to be irrelevant, either because the runner would have scored anyway on a subsequent hit or because the runner just dies on 3rd instead of on 2nd when the inning ends. So sometimes the extra base helps, sometimes it doesn't--but an out always hurts.
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12/31/09 11:40 AM
12/31/09 11:58 AM
Also not only does getting thrown out on the bases, be it for straight base running or stealing, make an extra out, it actually costs twice since it's the extra out PLUS the loss of a baserunner.
12/31/09 12:00 PM
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12/31/09 12:05 PM
Primo wrote: timz made a good point, when I rate players, unless there was an injury I DO take into account a 3-4 year window of their ability.
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12/31/09 01:40 PM
Name Pct Figgins 66 Aybar 62 Wells 54 Crawford 53 Damon 52 Markakis 48 Granderson 48 Youkilis 45 Andrus 45 ARodriguez 44 Abreu 44 Pedroia 40 Cano 40 AVERAGE 39 Suzuki 38 Jeter 38 Cust 33 Ellsbury 32 Branyan 31 MYoung 30 Kubel 25 Inge 25 Konerko 23 Ordonez 16 Ortiz 8
12/31/09 01:58 PM
12/31/09 02:03 PM
I would guess the advanced stat at b-r.com that correlates best to Running rating is XBT% (Extra Bases Taken). The percent of times the runner takes more than one base on a single or more than two bases on a double per opportunities to do so.
12/31/09 02:21 PM
timz wrote: XBT% does not appear to take into account the outs a runner makes attempting to take an extra base and consequently cannot be looked at in isolation. I'm sure running into outs on the bases would (and should) have a very negative effect on your running rating in DMB.
12/31/09 02:48 PM
12/31/09 03:55 PM
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12/31/09 09:30 PM
12/31/09 10:37 PM
According to the Bill James Handbook just released, Elvis led the majors in getting doubled off, a total of seven times if I recall correctly.
01/01/10 05:06 PM
timz wrote: According to the Bill James Handbook just released, Elvis led the majors in getting doubled off, a total of seven times if I recall correctly. Sounds like the textbook definition of poor baserunning to me.
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01/05/10 01:15 PM
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01/05/10 04:44 PM
DMBJim wrote: Here is another perspective on 2009 base running. http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/top-baserunners-of-2009/
01/06/10 09:32 PM
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